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- 2 Feb 2012: I have, for the time being, made "And You Thought I Was Sweet" invited readers only, to allow further consideration of the long-term future of the "confession" piece, and how best to deal with the valid criticisms that have been raised concerning its actual versus intended effects. Those links will therefore not work any more.
- 3 Feb 2012: Okay, I figure when I start getting anonymous commenters equating depression with merely "feeling sad" and sending hatred at my friends, it's time to close comments - hate me all you want, but that's where it stops.
- 13 Feb 2012: I have now re-opened AYTIWS with a heavily redrafted version of the original post that, while remaining truthful, I hope addresses the concerns raised by some people regarding its impact, and also explaining clearly why I believe depression played a part in the violent thoughts I had
- 17 Mar 2012: Added the passage concerning Kitty Stryker's reference to this post, and made some minor edits to polish the presentation of my thoughts and make them clearer.
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Renee @ Womanist Musings cross-posted my piece discussing some of the issues around the existence of abuse within the BDSM community and how we (fail to) deal with it.
A couple of commenters whose names I don't recognise arrived and dragged out the "but he's a rapist!" claim, albeit here the claim was more accurately worded. They were, of course, referring to this post, in which I recount a terrible episode of my depression in which I did, indeed, come close to assaulting and raping a woman. On the plus side, I did not commit any such crime and nobody would have been any the wiser had I not chosen four years later to write publicly about the experience and mental state that I was in, and what the consequences were.
I've made no secret of the existence of that post, and I have made several posts during the history of A Femanist View in which I have linked to it, and to this post, in which a regular commenter interviewed me by email concerning that, and some of the other more disturbing writings on And You Thought I Was Sweet? AYTIWS is[was] searchable by Google, so presumably if you put the right terms in, you can find[could have found] it. I want[ed] it to be findable, because its primary purpose is to say that it is possible to choose not to rape, and to encourage men who feel like they might be going down a path that leads to rape, to choose a different path, and to seek medical help if they need it. I clearly did need it in 2004, but I hadn't got it, and was at that stage still undiagnosed with depression.
And that brings me to the crux of this post. That period, and the period in August 2007, were the times when I suffered most from depression. Except that in 2007, I knew I had depression and I knew that I could get treatment. In 2004, I didn't. So 2004 was when I was at my worst in that respect. And the things that I contemplated doing at that time were the worst I've ever been in that sense, too. These things are a part of my past and a part of the memories that led me to where I am now. I can't change them, or say that they don't exist, because they do. If someone asked me specifically, "I can change time so that you were never in that mental state, and those things never happened, should I?" then I would accept with barely a moment's thought, but such magical cures for our pasts are few and far between, except in fairy tales and movies. The only thing over which I have power, is what effect they have on the present day. How I deal with them, and how I use them. To be absolutely clear on this: we are talking about one of my most painful memories, from a period of great suffering in my life. A memory that within half an hour if it being formed, caused great turmoil and grief, even though no real harm had been done to anyone. The memory of me, at my worst.
One option, perhaps it would have been the best, certainly it seems like the safest, would have been to bury the memory forever, and shut down anything that threatened to bring it to light. This is what I call the "Bluebeard" option, after the fairy tale in which the title character has a secret door behind which are the beheaded corpses of his previous wives; when his new wife (the heroine of the tale) discovers them, he promises to add her to them (her family arrive in the nick of time to save her).
But Bluebearding my emotions was part of what led me to that day and the burden of those memories in the first place. I resolved instead to let it be a huge warning marker for myself, to help keep me from straying into such dark territory again.
In 2008, once I had got into the knack of blogging, and with "extreme pornography" censorship on the horizon, and a host of other reasons, the story was brought to mind and I thought I could see some good that could come from it. I believed that the fact that I had after all not raped anyone, even though I had been so close to doing so, and the fact that (had I been aware of them), there were better and healthier paths to follow such as treatment for mental health issues, meant that my story could be used as an example to say, "Look! Men can choose not to rape. If you think you might be in a space similar to mine, you can choose to get help instead of being a rapist." I decided that it would not be a secret, but hopefully a tool to help prevent rape.
One person who seems to get what I was trying to do is Kitty Stryker, the consent culture campaigner, who in a post about her own incident involving not being alert to a partner's withdrawal of consent, referenced this post and wrote:
It’s not a sexy story, it’s a terrifying one. It was hard to read, incredibly hard, not just because of the story but because I realized- this guy is talking about it… but he’s not the only one who’s been there.
What makes me sad is that now those links to his posts are gone. Why? Because people used his honesty to tear him apart, as we do to people who express their darkness. It’s extremely vulnerable to say “I have thought/done some fucked up things”. I hope he allows these posts to be public again soon, because I think they’re a HUGELY important part of the puzzle, and how can we talk openly about consent unless we talk openly about when consent is ignored/ broken, or betrayed?
I chose the much riskier path, in part because I believed (and still believe) that by staying silent, I would be allowing others to believe that the ways I was thinking are okay for people to think, and possibly act on, while speaking means that I can talk about what makes these thoughts and how they can be resisted and maybe even prevented from taking root. If we don't or can't talk openly about this, then we can't fix the causes of them.
I knew at the time I posted the original account, that there was a strong chance that people would see it and judge me based solely on that one piece of writing. I decided that the hoped-for benefit outweighed the feared cost. It also meant that I would face head-on the memories I bear and deal with how to integrate them into my understanding of myself. Partly, I've done this by remembering that depression made me literally "not myself" at the time, and partly by recognising how the form of my destructive urges reflected parts of who I am; and more recently by accepting (on the advice of a friend who's a trained counsellor) that maybe porn wasn't the explanation for my choice not to rape, and maybe there was still some part of me deep down that just refused to let me cross that boundary. And I cope with the memory by knowing that I have all the tools and more that I could possibly need, to avoid ever going to a place like that again - among them, the things I have learned and continue to learn from feminism. By being open about this, I seem to have benefited in terms of my own emotional balance from a "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" effect. That, in turn, has benefits for those close to me emotionally. The memories also provide a very powerful spur for me to work hard to fight rape culture and hopefully play a part in bringing it to an end, because I've seen how it worked on my own mind to produce the thoughts that I spoke about, and i want no one else to walk that path.
More generally, though, I don't know whether my decision was really the best course. Maybe for the majority of people, it would have been better to keep quiet, keep it to myself, make it a secret. Maybe putting the story out there was a mistake. I don't know, and I've done the best I can. I know at least one blogger has vowed to make sure that the text of the original post remains available online even if I delete that post, so I can't go back on the decision now. But every time someone (like that blogger with the vow) brings up this episode of my past as an attempt to discredit me or say that my thoughts and ideas have no value, or no place in the feminist blogosphere, I wonder if I would have done better to be silent.
How do you deal with these moments in your past when you were not yourself, when you were at your worst ebb and thinking and acting in the worst ways that you ever have done? If you have some incident like mine that you know messes with your own head, and will certainly be a source of judgement and will disturb others, then what do you do with it? In every relationship I've had, I've had to ask myself what the appropriate time is to bring up this matter, because it's out there on the internet, and sooner or later she (or, potentially, he) would find it themselves. How much does this person trust me, that I won't ruin everything? How much do I trust them not to use it to hurt me? How do I broach the subject and open a conversation? If I decide not to tell my partner, to what extent will keeping a secret like this poison my relationship with her, and how much damage might it do if she finds out some other way? Of course, I kind of have that issue anyway as soon as I let on that I have this blog, because of those links back to the other one - it's always possible she'll find out before I tell her, I recall that SNS had read that post before we got to the point where I wanted to talk about it, and made up her own mind about what it meant before she decided to meet me.
In the end, I still believe that it is best that people can find this information if they choose to look. For I hope obvious reasons, I view the post as very personal and very painful, so I don't want to encourage people to look particularly, but it's there for those who need it or who want to know, and can use it to help combat rape and rape culture. For these reasons, I was quite upset that someone chose to copy-paste a large chunk into comments at Womanist Musings, but they had their motivations.
If people are going to judge me for it, then they can make up their own minds about what, if anything, it means about the person I am today and whether or not they want to interact with me, or what amount of credence they want to give to the things I choose to say about life, sex, politics and all the rest of the stuff that I post here. If they don't want me around them, or don't want me posting at their blog, or whatever, then I can understand that and accept it. In the end, I can't (and probably wouldn't if I could) stop people bringing it up, if they think it will win them an argument (or, if they just want to shut me up or hurt me). I made my decision, now I make decisions on how I deal with the consequences of that decision, and so life goes on.
How do you deal with these moments in your past when you were not yourself, when you were at your worst ebb and thinking and acting in the worst ways that you ever have done?
ReplyDelete"In normal times, evil would be fought by good. But in times like these, well, it should be fought by another kind of evil."
I think about that line quite a bit when it comes to things like this.
Maybe I'm not ally material, or maybe I'm not anymore. Maybe I'll never become so, or maybe I never was.
But that doesn't necessarily make me an enemy. It doesn't necessarily make me their enemy. Even if they consider me one. Even if they have good reason to do so. And that's what I focus on, again and again. What I have to.
That someone considers me their enemy does not make them mine. Maybe, after a fashion, and because of these things, I have taken on the shadow of evil; but I can be another kind.
True. Wise words.
DeleteYou aren't a feminist and it disgusts me that you would appropriate that label. Your account of what happened displayed absolutely no empathy towards women period. Your mental illness does not excuse anything you've done, nor does it explain it. Depression does not turn people into rapists.
ReplyDeleteIf you really are sorry and this isn't a self-centered flagellatory attempt to make yourself feel better and to push yourself into feminist spaces, just shut the fuck up and stay away from women and our spaces.
I know Snowdrop personally and he's incredibly committed to feminism and the works of feminist thought. You'd be hard pressed to find another man who dissects their own thoughts and actions so much, and not only that, but changes how he conducts himself accordingly.
DeleteSnowdrop is incredibly aware of himself and of the thoughts and feelings and desires of any women he interacts with (especially in a kink context).
Anonymous, do you even think about the courage it takes to confront the worst version of yourself, come face to face with the worst thoughts you've ever had, then take them on and become a better, more aware person for it?
Anonymous: I would have been much happier about publishing this comment had you been willing to put your name to it, but on the grounds that I expect a lot of other people to think like you, I see fit to answer you directly. I don't expect it to do anything to change your mind, or the minds of those who think like you, but anyway:
ReplyDelete1/. What have I done? Nothing. I have not raped or assaulted anyone.
2/. I haven't tried to excuse anything.
3/. You say that my account displays no empathy towards women, but then you say that "Depression does not turn people into rapists". Well, as it happens, an inability to empathise is, in my experience, a key symptom of depression, and I wrote my account less than an hour after the event happened, so yeah - at that moment in time, it is accurate to say I lacked a certain amount of empathy. Depression is in my experience an incredibly selfish disease, and the texts I've read about it confirm this observation. What I hear from you is actually a complete lack of understanding of mental illness and the effects it can have on the brain and mind of a sufferer. I will agree with you that depression doesn't turn people into rapists, but it sure as Hell can create the conditions most conducive for them to become rapists. I didn't become a rapist, and I think that's a good thing.
4/. Did I say anywhere that I was sorry? For what would I be sorry? That I didn't commit rape? That I thought the best way to use the fact that I didn't rape would be to try to persuade other men to choose not to rape? Or maybe you want me to apologise just for being born with a penis?
5/. I never push myself anywhere I am not wanted (and yes, you can read that as a sexual metaphor, too). But I leave it to each woman to decide whether she is comfortable with me being in her space or not, and then I respect her wishes in that. Since you have chosen to remain anonymous, I obviously cannot consciously make sure I stay away from your space, because I don't know who you are or where it is.
6/. I sign up to the radical notion that women are people, and deserve to be treated that way. Some people have described that as the definition of feminism.
7/. I thank God that you are lucky enough never to have had to face your worst elements, the way I have had to face mine.
8/. Thank you for expressing yourself so vehemently in my space. I wish you well, and you are welcome never to comment here again, since you feel this blog is the space of someone you want nowhere near you.
Future commenters, please be advised that similar comments to Anonymous' above, will be deleted since they add nothing to the debate and would serve only as abusive or inflammatory remarks. Please read the comments moderation policy for what that means.
Okay, two more anonymous commenters overnight. Three points in their comments worth addressing (the copy-pasted text comes from just one, but the other commenter made a similar statement to point #1), namely:
ReplyDelete1/. "You honestly see no reason to be sorry that you went out with the intent and equipment to rape and murder a person?"
2/. "i have depression, my partner has depression, most of my family has depression, and none of us have tried to murder or rape anyone."
3/. "how is "depression makes you lack empathy and try to kill people" supposed to discourage people from trying the same shit?"
To the first point, I would say that there is a world of difference between being prepared to do something and actually doing it. You know what I would be sorry for? If I'd actually done what I had prepared myself physically to do. But instead, when it came to that point, I didn't do it. So what do the preparations mean? Whom do they hurt? Christ Jesus teaches me that if I look lustfully at a woman, then I have committed adultery with her in my heart - are you taking a similar line here? But I have said sorry to God, and I have repented; that is all the forgiveness I need for the shitty stuff that went on in my mind and in my heart, because in the end that shitty stuff didn't harm anyone. So, yeah, I am sorry on that level, and carry the burden of the memory of that time of my life everywhere I go in my heart. But I feel no need to say sorry to you for something that is deep in my past and that harmed no one. One last point: "intent" is the wrong word to use here: and "stalk" (a word used in the rest of Anonymous' comment) is also false. I prepared the equipment with a certain amount of intent, I would agree. But my intention when I went out walking the dog was purely to walk the dog. The "intent" was present for all of 10 seconds, maybe.
On to the second point. I don't know you, anonymous person, for the obvious reason that you're anonymous. But I'll ask you a few questions. How severe is the depression that you and your family members suffer? How frequently do you have suicidal thoughts such as wondering if the next lorry or bus you see is the one you're going to throw yourself under? How much are you able to get done in a single day, if anything at all? Just how worthless do you feel when in the depths of depression? How hopeless, desperate and despairing do you feel? How unloved and unlovable do you feel?
Let me show you how I was back then. I believed that because of my sexuality, I could never know love. I believed that my own family hated me. I believed I was nothing but a burden on society. I believed, thanks to Patriarchal programming, that it was a huge source of shame that I was a virgin at that stage in my life. I seemed physically incapable at times of doing anything, and I was failing to hold up my part in the household. I was completely blinded to the ways other people were feeling because the blackness swamped everything - my own feelings of anything but despair, and certainly any sense of what anyone else might be feeling. And I was suicidal. Except that, in my mind, suicidal thoughts had been turned externally, onto the outside world, onto the people around me. Literally, the crimes I contemplated committing felt the same as committing suicide to my diseased mind. Like I said, they should have locked me up for my own safety and that of others.
You, or someone like you, accused me of lacking empathy earlier. I wonder if you can empathise with that state of mind, now that I have described it to you? I wonder how you would deal with the memory of having lived through it, once you had regained your balance and your ability to see things with your usual sense of ethics?
(3/. "how is "depression makes you lack empathy and try to kill people" supposed to discourage people from trying the same shit?")
DeleteBecause depression can be treated. If someone feels as violently and deeply and hopelessly depressed as I did, there is a better way than to try to battle through it without help, and to act out violently or aggressively because of it. I didn't rape, and the fact that I didn't rape proves that men who think that they are driven to it inevitably are wrong, and it proves they can be shown a better path. In the end, I chose not to rape. That is a message of hope, surely? Help is available, you just have to seek it out. Do that instead of raping someone! That's what I'm saying, and that's what I hope people take away from the pieces I wrote. I don't care why a man feels he is driven to rape someone, because whatever the reason, he does have that choice, he can choose not to do it. I got to that point where I was a heartbeat away from doing it, but somehow turned away. If I, in that desperate position, ended up not doing it, then other men can choose not to commit rape also. And, if I had made better choices earlier, then I wouldn't have got to that point, so I encourage other men to make better choices than mine.
You are making feminist spaces less safe by trying to speak from a feminist point of view as someone who believed he had the right to violently rape and murder a woman. Your depression is no excuse. GTFO of feminism, please.
ReplyDeleteGreetings, Maev. I have approved your comment because a) you signed your name and b) I had something to say in reply to it.
DeleteWhen did I ever claim I believed I had the right to do it? Answer: I didn't, because I never believed that. I didn't believe it before, and I don't believe it now. If I had believed I had the right to do it, then I would have done it. I didn't do it.
As I have already said: if someone decides, in order to keep their blog a safe space for the people there, that they need me to stay away or at least not to post comments there, then I understand and accept that when they tell me that, and I abide by their decision.
I'm not looking for your acceptance, but if you're going to hate me, judge me, exclude me - at least do it on accurate grounds.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I've wasted enough of my spoons on you and those like you, so I hope you'll show me the courtesy of not commenting further here, just as I show that courtesy to those who make it known that my presence is unwanted in their space.
If you didn't believe you had the right, you wouldn't have had a plan and a kit. And now you feel you have the right to speak from a "feminist" perspective. I don't expect you to publish this as you have said you find engaging with people like me to be a waste of spoon, but I want you to understand it's not that you make individual feminist spaces less safe by commenting, but you make the feminist internet community as a whole less safe by being a part of it.
DeleteI admit it, Maev: you've piqued my curiosity and my intellect.
DeleteI'll try to keep this quick, but here goes.
"If you didn't believe you had the right, you wouldn't have had a plan and a kit."
In a word: wrong. Since a big part of my mental state was about self-destruction, doing something that I felt I had a right to do would be pointless. Only by doing something terrible that I had absolutely no right to do could I attain the obliteration of self that I expected and even on some level desired. The point of the kit was precisely that I didn't have a right to use it: that doing so would be to step completely outside what I had any right to do. I don't know if you can understand that concept.
"you make the feminist internet community as a whole less safe by being a part of it."
I'm genuinely curious: "Less safe from what?" Since the "where" of my involvement is immaterial, I can't see this as being a question of, "for whom?" Also, I'm gratified that you think I'm a part of a community, but I really don't feel myself to be. If I am, then others have by their actions made that so, and I do not control or seek to control what they do. You are welcome to try to persuade them to ostracise me if you think that is for the best.
I won't attempt to speak for SnowdropExplodes, but I do think that there's an important distinction to be made here. When he had the plan and the kit, I don't think that he believed that he had the right; I suspect that he had, at that point, lost his conviction about whether or not he didn't. That made rape possible, even overwhelmingly likely. But not inevitable. And that's the crucial point: because of that difference, he was able to turn back.
DeleteIf others on that brink are able to recognize that difference, they might also be able to turn back. If his story helps someone to recognize that point, and helps them to make that turn, with that kind of offense or another -- it has value.
Thanks, Infra. That's actually a pretty good way of putting it, and you have certainly described exactly why I thought writing about what happened in my head on that day back in 2004 would be helpful and positive. Since I did turn back, for whatever reason, then others can turn back, and maybe can be persuaded to turn back sooner, and without getting dangerously close as I did.
DeleteIt's a slightly different emphasis on things compared to my account in my earlier reply, but I think "lost his conviction about whether or not he didn't" is a good way of rephrasing the emotional/mental state I was in that I described as "only by doing something terrible that I had absolutely no right to do could I attain the obliteration of self that I expected". I think those two statements are like two sides of the same coin in terms of describing what was going on.
Lana (formerly "Anonymous"):
ReplyDeleteI won't let your comments through moderation, because it feels as though you are leaping to conclusions based on insufficient evidence (and also that you have invented your own version of events, that does not match what I described). I haven't the spoons to wade through it all and discuss each point with you, when it feels as though you have already formed your opinion of me and nothing I say or do will change it.
I do want to quote one thing you have written, because it is exactly what I have been trying to use my experience to say:
"If you want to teach rape prevention to men, this is what you should tell them: you may try and justify your actions with other things. This is wrong, it's always wrong. Your actions are your own. There is no reason, no excuse, no mitigating circumstances. It doesn't matter what she's wearing, what you're feeling, or any other bullshit excuses you come up with. Don't do it."
I get that you haven't understood that this is what I have been saying, and you think I am trying to "blame depression". But what I have been trying to say is that although depression put me in a mental state where (as Infra in replying to Maev below, put it) I couldn't see the distinction between doing it and not doing it, in the end, the choice remained mine. I have been saying all along that, whatever the influence of depression on my thought process, at the end of the day the actions were mine. I chose not to rape. Since I was after all able to choose not to rape in those circumstances, then surely any man can choose not to rape, and nothing is an excuse. I am considering heavily rewriting the original post where I talked about this, to make that much clearer, and that is why that post is currently "invited readers only".
I also want to clarify this: you want me to be sorry about it. In my previous comment, I told you that I am sorry about it, and about the wrong thoughts I had, but that I believe that those matters belong between me and God. Please don't ask for some great public self-flagellation or mea culpa, because that's not going to happen. I am no fan of 12-Step programmes in general, but in this matter I have at least done steps 4, 5, 8 and 9 (I would include step 10, but I guess you would disagree).